[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
Clarke Rountree
rountrj at uah.edu
Wed Nov 14 12:27:15 EST 2018
I just pulled out my copy of the 1984 Burke Conference program. I was
pulled out of seminar II because Gronbeck, my advisor at the time, figured
I'd learn more in Jamieson's group (which was great). But I am jealous at
looking back at who was in the other seminars. Among those: In Gronbeck's
seminar: Appel, Bineham, Brummett, George Cheney, Jim Chesebro, Charles
Conrad, David Birdsell, and Steve Goldzwig. Allen Scult's seminar had
Elvera, Don Burks, Jim Aune, and Phil Tompkins. David Sapir's seminar had
Robert Catchcart, Leland Griffin, Ray Heisey, and Kathryn Olson. Don
Jennermann's seminar had Benoit, Virginia Fry, Klumpp, Payne, Signorile,
and Thames. Susan Stewart's seminar had Christine Oravec, Ed Schiappa,
Tilly Warnock, and David Williams. Margaret Ferguson's seminar had Donald
Cushman, Sheron Dailey, Bob Harriman, and Bob Wess. The only name I
recognize (today) from my seminar was James Combs and Robert King.
Cheers,
Clarke
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:34 AM Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
wrote:
> Greig and All,
>
> I remember well that kiss from Bloom to Burke. Again, we remember the
> unexpected. Another scholar we all know who was in attendance: Don Burks.
>
> Greig, didn't know you were there. Hadn't yet met you. My first
> recollection of you was a paper you delivered at ECA in Portland, Maine, in
> the spring of 1992. I think I have that right. I remember wishing I could
> get a copy of it..
>
> Yeah, there were some powerful folks at that Seton Hall conference. Wish I
> could have been there more than one day. Had to attend to my day job.
>
> On Bloom and Freud---and Burke. The following year, following your paper
> in Maine, ECA met in New Haven. I was program planner for the Burke panels.
> I wrote to Bloom, asking whether he would speak at the conference,
> preferably, of course, in a plenary session. Among the topics I suggested,
> harking back to Seton Hall, was Freud and Burke. Another topic I broached
> was Burke and the postmoderns, would Burke likely survive in the age of the
> Derridas and Foucaults. Bloom wrote a nice letter back, said he would be
> out of town at that time, and offered that he had no doubt that Burke would
> out live the "Frenchies."
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 11/14/18, Greig Henderson <ghenders at chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
> To: "'Edward C Appel'" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, wessr at oregonstate.edu,
> "'sjmaillo'" <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
> Cc: "'Robert Craig'" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net,
> "'elanah naftali'" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "'Kathleen Hall Jamieson'"
> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "'Fahy'" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
> "'KB'" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 9:12 AM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> The Seton Hall affair included Harold
> Bloom, Denis Donoghue, J. Hillis Miller, Howard Nemerov,
> Paul Jay, and Ralph Ellison. The highlight for me was
> when Harold Bloom--speaking without notes about Burke and
> Emerson as American sages, not to mention citing Nietzsche
> and Freud from memory (in German)--stepped down from the
> podium to greet Burke, who was in the first row.
> He kissed Burke on the forehead and
> said "My rabbi." Ellison read from Juneteenth on the
> final evening. And David Williams can relate how Burke
> got entangled in his seat belt if memory serves.
>
> Cheers,
> Greig
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KB [mailto:kb-bounces at kbjournal.org]
> On Behalf Of Edward C Appel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:04
> AM
> To: wessr at oregonstate.edu;
> sjmaillo
> Cc: Robert Craig; p.mass at verizon.net;
> elanah naftali; Kathleen Hall Jamieson; kb at kbjournal.org;
> Fahy; KB
> Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s
> conferences with KB
>
> Steve and All,
>
> Was not aware of the April, 1988,
> Conference on Burke and Heidegger, But in that
> decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New Harmony
> in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at
> Seton Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb
> attended, as well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke
> family. A group of grad students came up from the South,
> along with their mentor (forget who), and got their picture
> taken with Burke. Harold Blum, Dennis Donoghue (sp?),
> and some other luminary(ies) gave presentations.
>
> Were any other Burke gatherings held
> exclusively in literature, besides Seton Hall and Johns
> Hopkins in 1978?
>
>
>
> Ed
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: other 1980s conferences with
> KB
> To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
> Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>,
> "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
> p.mass at verizon.net,
> "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>,
> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
> kb at kbjournal.org,
> "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
> "KB" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47
> PM
>
> Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,
>
> Since you are talking about
> Burke at a 1984 conference, I was
> wondering
> if anyone out there has notes on or
> memories
> about another 1980s
> conference: the April
> 1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and
> Martin
> Heidegger, organized by Don Burks. Don
> was kind
> enough to share some
> memories a few years
> ago, but I'm returning to the topic in
> some recent
> researching.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
> Mailloux
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
> wrote:
> > Ed,
> >
> > I checked my copy of the 1984
> program. The
> conference was at the
> > Bellevue
> Stratford. You're right about that.
> >
>
> > Nelson appeared in one of the
> plenaries. The chair of his panel was
> >
> Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was
> David Damrosch.
> >
> > Bennett also
> appeared in a plenary. His chair:
> Joseph Margolis. His
> > fellow panelist: Joseph
> Gusfield.
> >
> > Your memory may be
> better than mine.
> >
> >
> Bob
> >
> >
> > Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
> >
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> I don't
> remember Burke's interrupting Nelson.
> If he did so,
> Burke
> >> surely did not launch into
> a screed against what Nelson was
> saying.
> >> Could that have happened in
> one of the
> seminars?
> >>
> >>
> For sure, Burke did verbally attack
> Bennett. I got
> intersubjective
> >> support for that
> recollection from David Cratis
> Williams at last
> >> year's Triennial. I brought
> up
> that example of "feisty Burke" at
> our
> >> plenary "Memories of Burke"
> meeting. David gave us the "back
> story"
> >> on the matter. Burke was
> asked his
> opinion of the papers submitted,
>
> >>
> this even before the convention began,
> I believe. Burke said
> he liked
> >> them all except one.
> Who submitted that one, Burke was
> asked. "Lance,
> >> Lance, Lance," was Burke's
> reply
> >>
> >> I
> remember Bennett looking down at his
> ms. in obvious
> embarrassment,
> >> as Burke railed
> on, then, after Burke had got it all
> our of his
> >> spleen, continuing on without
> a word
> in response to Burke.
> >>
> >> We remember the unexpected,
> the
> unusual, the harrowingly
> >>
> out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath
> of Stanford said in
> their
> >> book, Make It Stick.
> Professor Blasy Ford explained it well
> in her
> >> Senate testimony. There's a
> rush
> of norepinephrine and another
> >>
> neurochemical whose name escapes me
> into the hippocampus in
> such
> >> moments. We don';t
> forget them.
> >>
> >> I don't remember who spoke
> before,
> or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed . .
> >>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Mon, 11/12/18,
> <wessr at oregonstate.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
> >> To:
> "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
> >> Cc: "Robert Craig"
> <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
> "David C. Williams"
> >>
> <dcwill at fau.edu>,
> "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
>
>
> >> p.mass at verizon.net,
> kb at kbjournal.org,
> "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>
>
> >> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
> "elanah naftali"
> >>
> <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Monday, November
> 12, 2018,
> 9:12 PM
> >>
> >>
> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> Ed, my
> >> memory is that Burke
> interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted
> Cary
> >> to
> >>
> explain poststructuralism in a more
> >> intelligible way. Maybe
> I'm
> wrong,
> >> but that is my
> memory.
> >>
> >>
> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Edward C Appel
> <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
> >>
> >> >
> Herb,
> >> >
> >> > That March, 1984,
> >> Conference on Discourse
> Analysis,
> under the aegis
> >> > of Temple
> University, was held at the
> >>
> Bellevue Stratford, top floor
> >>
> > as I
> >> recall. It was a
> wonderful event, with feisty Burke
> standing
> >> up
> >> >
> and interrupting Lance Bennett
> >>
> with a blistering tirade in the
> >>
> >
> >> middle of Bennett's
> presentation. Powerful plenary
> >>
> lectures and
> >> > excellent
> seminars. I
> >> recall, too,
> postprandial addresses by both
> >>
> > Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an
> old
> >> guy, the Burke scholar
> at
> >> > Colorado,
> >> his name now escapes
> me.
> >> >
> >> >
> The superb panel speeches last year
> at
> >> East Stroudsburg
> involving
> >> > the
> >>
> young'uns bodes well for the future of
> Burke studies.
> >> >
> >> >
> You and Trevor did a
> >> great job on
> that gathering, and on the book that
> ensued
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >>
> >
> >>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> >> > On Mon, 11/12/18,
> HERBERT W.
> Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> > Subject:
> >> [KB] Your papers
> >> > To: "Robert
> >> Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
> >> "David C. Williams"
> >> > <dcwill at fau.edu>
> >> > Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
> >> kb at kbjournal.org,
> >> "Fahy"
> >> > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
> >> "Kathleen Hall
> Jamieson"
> >> >
> >> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
> >> "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
> >> > Date:
> Monday, November 12,
> 2018, 8:44
> >> AM
> >> >
> >>
> > Dear
> >> colleagues,I'd
> like to have e-mailed
> >> >
> copies of your papers.
> >> >
> At the Burke "parlor"
> >>
> > meeting 10-12 young people
> as well as
> >> Roundtree and Thames
> >> > convened to
> >> discuss matters
> Burkean. I played
> the old man
> >> > and regaled
> them with memories of that
> >> first
> Burke
> >> > conference:
> e.g.,
> >> the charlatan "doctor"
> who
> >> >
> >> attached himself to KB
> at the
> Williams conference,
> >> moved
> >> > in with him,
> and helped
> him
> >> navigate steps. We
> registered
> >> > him and
> >> didn't charge him the
> entry fee,
> at his
> >> >
> request.
> >> > It
> >>
> turned out that he was a
> >> >
> collector of
> >> important people,
> as our friend, Chris Fahy,
> >> >
> revealed to me.
> >> >
> >> KB's daughter, Eleanor
> Leacock
> >> >
> >> (sp?) was furious at me
> for
> entrusting KB to this
> >> >
> imposter. When asked whether he'd
> >> like the pseudo-doc to
> >> > be moved
> from
> >> his room, he said yes
> for the
> man's sake
> >> > since he
> had work to do.
> >> > I'd
> forgotten how many in our
> >> >
> field attended that first conference
> and
> >> participated in
> >> > it's small
> group
> >> seminars as well as
> it's
> plenaries,
> >> > at which a
> recurrent question was about
> >>
> "not vicious
> >> > but
> mistaken"
> >> and the issue of
> warrantable
> >> >
> >> outrage.
> >>
> > Note: I've got a book
> >>
> in
> >> > production
> called
> Rhetoric in
> >> Action, which will be
> made
> >> > available
> >> at no cost. Several of
> its essays
> are on my
> >> > website,
> which
> can be found by googllng
> >> my
> name.
> >> > Psychologist
> Ken
> Gergen
> >> superintended the
> project.
> >> > Richard
> >> Thames recalled that it
> was
> >> > held at
> >> the Bellevue Stratford
> Hotel in
> Phila but I
> >> > recall that
> it was the Barclay, an older
> >>
> hotel.In deference to KB with his
> >>
> >
> >> drinking problem we
> served
> grape juice at the banquet.
> >>
> > Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
> >> > "Language
> may do our
> thinking
> >> > for us but
> it
> cannot do our drinking for
> >>
> us." As for
> >> > the
> "doc",
> >> he spent the
> night in a bathtub,
> >> >
> >> compliments of the
> organizers. On
> the last night of the
> >> >
> conference, when the KB Society was
> >> formed. he approached
> >> > Harry
> >> Chapin's wife with a
> hug and she
> reciprocated
> >> >
> diplomatically, not knowing what else
> to
> >> do.
> >>
> > I can't say enough about
> >> the
> >>
> > young scholars who
> participated
> >> in the NCA
> convention's
> >> >
> >>
> "Burke Parlor." For those concerned
> about the
> >> > future of
> Burke studies, rest
> assured,
> >> this next generation
> >> > is highly
> >> competent and
> motivated.
> >> > Note:
> >> I've got a book in
> >> > production
> >> called Rhetoric in
> Action, which
> will be made
> >> > available
> at
> no cost. Several of its
> >> essays
> are on my
> >> > website,
> which
> can
> >> be found by googllng
> my
> name.
> >> >
> >> Psychologist Ken
> Gergen
> superintended the project.
> >>
> >
> >> > --
> >> > Herbert
> >> > W.
> >>
> Simons, Ph.D.
> >> > Emeritus
> Professor of
> >> Communication
> >> > Dep't of
> >> Strategic
> Communication, Weiss Hall
> 215
> >> > Temple
> University,
> Philadelphia 19122
> >> > Home
> phone: 215 844 5969
> >> > http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
> >> > Academic
> Fellow, Center
> for
> >> Transformative
> Strategic
> >> > Initiatives
> >> (CTSI)
> >>
> >
> >> >
> >>
>
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Associate Dean for Recruitment and Outreach for the College of Arts,
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University of Alabama in Huntsville
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