[KB] Your papers
HERBERT W. Simons
hsimons at temple.edu
Tue Nov 13 18:44:53 EST 2018
Dyke, Margolis and Damrosch are first-rate.
Richard was right about the hotel, which had suffered a loss of reputation
due to Legionnaires disease. Richa can tell us all about it.
Dyke and I worked together in a seminar at Temple on Metaphors We Live By.
I'd forgotten the caliber of the Temple support group, akin to Iowa's, and
we were all learning together.I recall the intensity of discussion in the
Psychology Seminar room where many of the conferees met for lunch.
Later, at UIowa, I would meet the Brits McCloskey had invited to the US.
They are far in advance of most of us in their work on SSK, reflexivity,
and the rhetoric of social problems.
In that period Sage, Ltd published Gergen and Shotter's series on social
constructionism. I edited a Sage series on Rhetoric and Society. (e.g.,
Dana Cloud, Jim Jasinski) ,Simons and Billig) Mick Billig at Loughborough
hosted conferences on feminist rhetoric, language and social interaction,
and discourse analysis.. See also his Cambridge volume, Arguing and
Thinking.
In the past decade Rhetoric Studies took off on the Continent. Kris Ruten
at Ghent can provide details In that period, Margolis and colleagues held
an area-wide philosophy colloquium on a regular basis
The Iowa Symposium on the Rhetoric of the Human Sciences, which ran for 5
days was like nothing I'd experienced: 2-3 disciplines (from Mathematics to
LitCrit were featured each day.John Nelson provided a valuable history of
rhetoric's sophistic side which many of us call neo-sophistic. It
complemented Burke's "Traditional Principles of Rhetoric, an underground
history which I drew upon in organizing the Temple conference (Gaonkar,
1990, in my edited volume, The Rhetorical Turn. Especially valuable for me
were papers by Richard Brown, Barbara Elshtain, and James Boyd White.
This long e-mail may put some of you to sleep, but I'm including it here
before my memory goes.
The young rhetoricians I met at the NCA convention's "Burke Parlor" should
suck it up. I'm hoping that KB journal will see fit to publish it.
For more on my work see my website's writings by Googling my name.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:40 PM <wessr at oregonstate.edu> wrote:
> Ed,
>
> I checked my copy of the 1984 program. The conference was at the
> Bellevue Stratford. You're right about that.
>
> Nelson appeared in one of the plenaries. The chair of his panel was
> Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was David Damrosch.
>
> Bennett also appeared in a plenary. His chair: Joseph Margolis. His
> fellow panelist: Joseph Gusfield.
>
> Your memory may be better than mine.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > I don't remember Burke's interrupting Nelson. If he did so, Burke
> > surely did not launch into a screed against what Nelson was saying.
> > Could that have happened in one of the seminars?
> >
> > For sure, Burke did verbally attack Bennett. I got intersubjective
> > support for that recollection from David Cratis Williams at last
> > year's Triennial. I brought up that example of "feisty Burke" at our
> > plenary "Memories of Burke" meeting. David gave us the "back story"
> > on the matter. Burke was asked his opinion of the papers submitted,
> > this even before the convention began, I believe. Burke said he
> > liked them all except one. Who submitted that one, Burke was asked.
> > "Lance, Lance, Lance," was Burke's reply
> >
> > I remember Bennett looking down at his ms. in obvious embarrassment,
> > as Burke railed on, then, after Burke had got it all our of his
> > spleen, continuing on without a word in response to Burke.
> >
> > We remember the unexpected, the unusual, the harrowingly
> > out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath of Stanford said in their
> > book, Make It Stick. Professor Blasy Ford explained it well in her
> > Senate testimony. There's a rush of norepinephrine and another
> > neurochemical whose name escapes me into the hippocampus in such
> > moments. We don';t forget them.
> >
> > I don't remember who spoke before, or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed . .
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 11/12/18, <wessr at oregonstate.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
> > To: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
> > Cc: "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, "David C. Williams"
> > <dcwill at fau.edu>, "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
> > p.mass at verizon.net, kb at kbjournal.org, "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
> > "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, "elanah naftali"
> > <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 12, 2018, 9:12 PM
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Ed, my
> > memory is that Burke interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted Cary
> > to
> > explain poststructuralism in a more
> > intelligible way. Maybe I'm wrong,
> > but that is my memory.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
> >
> > > Herb,
> > >
> > > That March, 1984,
> > Conference on Discourse Analysis, under the aegis
> > > of Temple University, was held at the
> > Bellevue Stratford, top floor
> > > as I
> > recall. It was a wonderful event, with feisty Burke standing
> > up
> > > and interrupting Lance Bennett
> > with a blistering tirade in the
> > >
> > middle of Bennett's presentation. Powerful plenary
> > lectures and
> > > excellent seminars. I
> > recall, too, postprandial addresses by both
> > > Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an old
> > guy, the Burke scholar at
> > > Colorado,
> > his name now escapes me.
> > >
> > > The superb panel speeches last year at
> > East Stroudsburg involving
> > > the
> > young'uns bodes well for the future of Burke studies.
> > >
> > > You and Trevor did a
> > great job on that gathering, and on the book that ensued
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Mon, 11/12/18, HERBERT W. Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > [KB] Your papers
> > > To: "Robert
> > Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
> > "David C. Williams"
> > > <dcwill at fau.edu>
> > > Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
> > kb at kbjournal.org,
> > "Fahy"
> > > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
> > "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
> > >
> > <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
> > "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Monday, November 12, 2018, 8:44
> > AM
> > >
> > > Dear
> > colleagues,I'd like to have e-mailed
> > > copies of your papers.
> > > At the Burke "parlor"
> > > meeting 10-12 young people as well as
> > Roundtree and Thames
> > > convened to
> > discuss matters Burkean. I played the old man
> > > and regaled them with memories of that
> > first Burke
> > > conference: e.g.,
> > the charlatan "doctor" who
> > >
> > attached himself to KB at the Williams conference,
> > moved
> > > in with him, and helped him
> > navigate steps. We registered
> > > him and
> > didn't charge him the entry fee, at his
> > > request.
> > > It
> > turned out that he was a
> > > collector of
> > important people, as our friend, Chris Fahy,
> > > revealed to me.
> > >
> > KB's daughter, Eleanor Leacock
> > >
> > (sp?) was furious at me for entrusting KB to this
> > > imposter. When asked whether he'd
> > like the pseudo-doc to
> > > be moved from
> > his room, he said yes for the man's sake
> > > since he had work to do.
> > > I'd forgotten how many in our
> > > field attended that first conference and
> > participated in
> > > it's small group
> > seminars as well as it's plenaries,
> > > at which a recurrent question was about
> > "not vicious
> > > but mistaken"
> > and the issue of warrantable
> > >
> > outrage.
> > > Note: I've got a book
> > in
> > > production called Rhetoric in
> > Action, which will be made
> > > available
> > at no cost. Several of its essays are on my
> > > website, which can be found by googllng
> > my name.
> > > Psychologist Ken Gergen
> > superintended the project.
> > > Richard
> > Thames recalled that it was
> > > held at
> > the Bellevue Stratford Hotel in Phila but I
> > > recall that it was the Barclay, an older
> > hotel.In deference to KB with his
> > >
> > drinking problem we served grape juice at the banquet.
> > > Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
> > > "Language may do our thinking
> > > for us but it cannot do our drinking for
> > us." As for
> > > the "doc",
> > he spent the night in a bathtub,
> > >
> > compliments of the organizers. On the last night of the
> > > conference, when the KB Society was
> > formed. he approached
> > > Harry
> > Chapin's wife with a hug and she reciprocated
> > > diplomatically, not knowing what else to
> > do.
> > > I can't say enough about
> > the
> > > young scholars who participated
> > in the NCA convention's
> > >
> > "Burke Parlor." For those concerned about the
> > > future of Burke studies, rest assured,
> > this next generation
> > > is highly
> > competent and motivated.
> > > Note:
> > I've got a book in
> > > production
> > called Rhetoric in Action, which will be made
> > > available at no cost. Several of its
> > essays are on my
> > > website, which can
> > be found by googllng my name.
> > >
> > Psychologist Ken Gergen superintended the project.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Herbert
> > > W.
> > Simons, Ph.D.
> > > Emeritus Professor of
> > Communication
> > > Dep't of
> > Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall 215
> > > Temple University, Philadelphia 19122
> > > Home phone: 215 844 5969
> > > http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
> > > Academic Fellow, Center for
> > Transformative Strategic
> > > Initiatives
> > (CTSI)
> > >
> > >
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Herbert W. Simons, Ph.D.
Emeritus Professor of Communication
Dep't of Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall 215
Temple University, Philadelphia 19122
Home phone: 215 844 5969
http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
Academic Fellow, Center for Transformative Strategic Initiatives (CTSI)
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