[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB

Edward C Appel edwardcappel at frontier.com
Wed Nov 14 11:33:12 EST 2018


Greig and All,

I remember well that kiss from Bloom to Burke. Again, we remember the unexpected. Another scholar we all know who was in attendance: Don Burks.

Greig, didn't know you were there. Hadn't yet met you. My first recollection of you was a paper you delivered at ECA in Portland, Maine, in the spring of 1992. I think I have that right. I remember wishing I could get a copy of it..

Yeah, there were some powerful folks at that Seton Hall conference. Wish I could have been there more than one day. Had to attend to my day job.

On Bloom and Freud---and Burke. The following year, following your paper in Maine, ECA met in New Haven. I was program planner for the Burke panels. I wrote to Bloom, asking whether he would speak at the conference, preferably, of course, in a plenary session. Among the topics I suggested, harking back to Seton Hall, was Freud and Burke. Another topic I broached was Burke and the postmoderns, would Burke likely survive in the age of the Derridas and Foucaults. Bloom wrote a nice letter back, said he would be out of town at that time, and offered that he had no doubt that Burke would out live the "Frenchies."



Ed  


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On Wed, 11/14/18, Greig Henderson <ghenders at chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
 To: "'Edward C Appel'" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, wessr at oregonstate.edu, "'sjmaillo'" <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
 Cc: "'Robert Craig'" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, "'elanah naftali'" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "'Kathleen Hall Jamieson'" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "'Fahy'" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "'KB'" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
 Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 9:12 AM
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 The Seton Hall affair included Harold
 Bloom, Denis Donoghue, J. Hillis Miller, Howard Nemerov,
 Paul Jay, and Ralph Ellison.  The highlight for me was
 when Harold Bloom--speaking without notes about Burke and
 Emerson as American sages, not to mention citing Nietzsche
 and Freud from memory (in German)--stepped down from the
 podium to greet Burke, who was in the first row.
 He kissed Burke on the forehead and
 said "My rabbi."  Ellison read from Juneteenth on the
 final evening.  And David Williams can relate how Burke
 got entangled in his seat belt if memory serves.
 
 Cheers,
 Greig 
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 Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s
 conferences with KB
 
 Steve and All,
 
 Was not aware of the April, 1988,
 Conference on Burke and Heidegger, But in that
 decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New Harmony
 in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at
 Seton Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb
 attended, as well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke
 family. A group of grad students came up from the South,
 along with their mentor (forget who), and got their picture
 taken with Burke.  Harold Blum, Dennis Donoghue (sp?),
 and some other luminary(ies) gave presentations.
 
 Were any other Burke gatherings held
 exclusively in literature, besides Seton Hall and Johns
 Hopkins in 1978?
 
 
 
 Ed  
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 On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: other 1980s conferences with
 KB
  To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
  Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>,
 "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
 p.mass at verizon.net,
 "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>,
 "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
 kb at kbjournal.org,
 "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
 "KB" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
  Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47
 PM
  
  Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,
  
  Since you are talking about
  Burke at a 1984 conference, I was
 wondering 
  if anyone out there has notes on or
 memories
  about another 1980s 
  conference: the April
  1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and
 Martin 
  Heidegger, organized by Don Burks. Don
 was kind
  enough to share some 
  memories a few years
  ago, but I'm returning to the topic in
 some recent 
  researching.
  
  Thanks!
  
  Steve
  Mailloux
  
  
  
  
  
  On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
  wrote:
  > Ed,
  > 
  > I checked my copy of the 1984
 program. The
  conference was at the
  > Bellevue
  Stratford. You're right about that.
  >
  
  > Nelson appeared in one of the
  plenaries. The chair of his panel was
  >
  Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was
 David Damrosch.
  > 
  > Bennett also
  appeared in a plenary. His chair:
 Joseph Margolis. His
  > fellow panelist: Joseph
 Gusfield.
  > 
  > Your memory may be
  better than mine.
  > 
  >
  Bob
  > 
  > 
  > Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
  > 
  >> Bob,
  >> 
  >> I don't
  remember Burke's interrupting Nelson.
 If he did so,
  Burke  
  >> surely did not launch into
  a screed against what Nelson was
 saying.  
  >> Could that have happened in
 one of the
  seminars?
  >> 
  >>
  For sure, Burke did verbally attack
 Bennett. I got
  intersubjective  
  >> support for that
  recollection from David Cratis
 Williams at last  
  >> year's Triennial. I brought
 up
  that example of "feisty Burke" at
 our  
  >> plenary "Memories of Burke"
  meeting. David gave us the "back
 story"  
  >> on the matter. Burke was
 asked his
  opinion of the papers submitted, 
 
  >>
  this even before the convention began,
 I believe. Burke said
  he  liked 
  >> them all except one.
  Who submitted that one, Burke was
 asked.  "Lance, 
  >> Lance, Lance," was Burke's
  reply
  >> 
  >> I
  remember Bennett looking down at his
 ms. in obvious
  embarrassment,  
  >> as Burke railed
  on, then, after Burke had got it all
 our of his  
  >> spleen, continuing on without
 a word
  in response to Burke.
  >> 
  >> We remember the unexpected,
 the
  unusual, the harrowingly  
  >>
  out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath
 of Stanford said in
  their  
  >> book, Make It Stick.
  Professor Blasy Ford explained it well
 in her  
  >> Senate testimony. There's a
 rush
  of norepinephrine and another  
  >>
  neurochemical whose name escapes me
 into the hippocampus in
  such  
  >> moments. We don';t
  forget them.
  >> 
  >> I don't remember who spoke
 before,
  or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> Ed    . .
  >>
 
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  >> On Mon, 11/12/18, 
 <wessr at oregonstate.edu>
  wrote:
  >> 
  >> 
  Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
  >>  To:
  "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
  >>  Cc: "Robert Craig"
 <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
  "David C. Williams"  
  >>
  <dcwill at fau.edu>,
  "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
 
  
  >> p.mass at verizon.net,
  kb at kbjournal.org,
  "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
 
  
  >> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
  <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
  "elanah naftali"  
  >>
  <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
  >>  Date: Monday, November
 12, 2018,
  9:12 PM
  >> 
  >> 
  Hi all,
  >> 
  >> 
  Ed, my
  >>  memory is that Burke
  interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted
 Cary
  >>  to 
  >> 
  explain poststructuralism in a more
  >>  intelligible way. Maybe
 I'm
  wrong, 
  >>  but that is my
  memory.
  >> 
  >> 
  Bob
  >> 
  >> 
  >>  Quoting Edward C Appel
 <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
  >> 
  >>  >
  Herb,
  >>  >
  >>  > That March, 1984,
  >>  Conference on Discourse
 Analysis,
  under the aegis 
  >>  > of Temple
  University, was held at the
  >> 
  Bellevue Stratford, top floor 
  >> 
  > as I
  >>  recall. It was a
  wonderful event, with feisty Burke
 standing
  >>  up 
  >>  >
  and interrupting Lance Bennett
  >> 
  with a blistering tirade in the 
  >> 
  >
  >>  middle of Bennett's
  presentation. Powerful plenary
  >> 
  lectures and 
  >>  > excellent
  seminars. I
  >>  recall, too,
  postprandial addresses by both 
  >> 
  > Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an
 old
  >>  guy, the Burke scholar
 at 
  >>  > Colorado,
  >>  his name now escapes
 me.
  >>  >
  >>  >
  The superb panel speeches last year
 at
  >>  East Stroudsburg
 involving 
  >>  > the
  >> 
  young'uns bodes well for the future of
 Burke studies.
  >>  >
  >>  >
  You and Trevor did a
  >>  great job on
  that gathering, and on the book that
 ensued
  >>  >
  >> 
  >
  >>  >
  >>  > Ed
  >> 
  >
  >> 
 
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  >>  > On Mon, 11/12/18,
 HERBERT W.
  Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
  >>  wrote:
  >> 
  >
  >>  >  Subject:
  >>  [KB] Your papers
  >>  >  To: "Robert
  >>  Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
  >>  "David C. Williams" 
  >>  > <dcwill at fau.edu>
  >>  >  Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
  >>  kb at kbjournal.org,
  >>  "Fahy" 
  >>  > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
  >>  "Kathleen Hall
  Jamieson" 
  >>  >
  >>  <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
  >>  "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
  >>  >  Date:
 Monday, November 12,
  2018, 8:44
  >>  AM
  >>  >
  >> 
  >  Dear
  >>  colleagues,I'd
  like to have e-mailed
  >>  > 
  copies of your papers.
  >>  > 
   At the Burke "parlor"
  >> 
  >  meeting 10-12 young people
 as well as
  >>  Roundtree and Thames
  >>  >  convened to
  >>  discuss matters
 Burkean. I played
  the old man
  >>  >  and regaled
  them with memories of that
  >>  first
  Burke
  >>  >  conference:
 e.g.,
  >>  the charlatan "doctor"
  who
  >>  > 
  >>  attached himself to KB
 at the
  Williams conference, 
  >>  moved
  >>  >  in with him,
 and helped
  him
  >>  navigate steps. We
  registered
  >>  >  him and
  >>  didn't charge him the
 entry fee,
  at his
  >>  > 
 request.  
  >>  >  It
  >> 
  turned out that he was a
  >>  > 
  collector of
  >>  important people, 
  as our friend, Chris Fahy,
  >>  > 
  revealed to me.
  >>  > 
  >>  KB's daughter, Eleanor
  Leacock
  >>  > 
  >>  (sp?) was furious at me
 for
  entrusting  KB to this
  >>  > 
  imposter. When asked whether he'd
  >>  like the pseudo-doc to
  >>  >  be moved
 from
  >>  his room, he said yes
 for the
  man's sake
  >>  >  since he
  had work to do.
  >>  >  I'd
  forgotten how many in our
  >>  > 
  field attended that first conference
 and
  >>  participated in
  >>  >  it's small
 group
  >>  seminars as well as
 it's
  plenaries,
  >>  >  at which a
  recurrent question was about
  >> 
  "not vicious
  >>  >  but
  mistaken"
  >>  and the issue of
  warrantable
  >>  > 
  >>  outrage.
  >> 
  >  Note: I've got a book
  >> 
  in
  >>  >  production
 called
  Rhetoric in
  >>  Action, which will be
  made
  >>  >  available
  >>  at no cost. Several of
 its essays
  are on my
  >>  >  website,
 which
  can be found by googllng
  >>  my
  name.
  >>  >  Psychologist
 Ken
  Gergen
  >>  superintended the
  project.
  >>  >  Richard
  >>  Thames recalled that it
 was
  >>  >  held at
  >>  the Bellevue Stratford
 Hotel in
  Phila but  I
  >>  >  recall that
  it was the Barclay, an older
  >> 
  hotel.In deference to KB with his
  >> 
  > 
  >>  drinking problem we
 served
  grape juice at the banquet. 
  >> 
  >  Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
  >>  >  "Language
 may do our
  thinking
  >>  >  for us but
 it
  cannot do our drinking for
  >> 
  us." As for
  >>  >  the
  "doc",
  >>  he spent the
  night in a bathtub,
  >>  > 
  >>  compliments of the
 organizers. On
  the last night of the
  >>  > 
  conference, when the KB Society was
  >>  formed. he approached
  >>  >  Harry
  >>  Chapin's wife with a
 hug and she
  reciprocated 
  >>  > 
  diplomatically, not knowing what else
 to
  >>  do.
  >> 
  >  I can't say enough about
  >>  the
  >> 
  >  young scholars who
 participated
  >>  in the NCA
 convention's
  >>  > 
  >> 
  "Burke Parlor." For those concerned
 about the
  >>  >  future of
 Burke studies, rest
  assured,
  >>  this next generation
  >>  >  is highly
  >>  competent and
 motivated.
  >>  >  Note:
  >>  I've got a book in
  >>  >  production
  >>  called Rhetoric in
 Action, which
  will be made
  >>  >  available
 at
  no cost. Several of its
  >>  essays
  are on my
  >>  >  website,
 which
  can
  >>  be found by googllng
 my
  name.
  >>  > 
  >>  Psychologist Ken
 Gergen
  superintended the project.  
  >> 
  >
  >>  >  --
  >>  >  Herbert
  >>  >  W.
  >> 
  Simons, Ph.D.
  >>  >  Emeritus
  Professor of
  >>  Communication
  >>  >  Dep't of 
  >>  Strategic
 Communication, Weiss Hall
  215
  >>  >  Temple
 University,
  Philadelphia 19122
  >>  >  Home
  phone: 215 844 5969
  >>  >  http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
  >>  >  Academic
 Fellow, Center
  for
  >>  Transformative
 Strategic
  >>  >  Initiatives
  >>  (CTSI)
  >> 
  >
  >>  > 
  >> 
 
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