[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
Edward C Appel
edwardcappel at frontier.com
Wed Nov 14 11:33:12 EST 2018
Greig and All,
I remember well that kiss from Bloom to Burke. Again, we remember the unexpected. Another scholar we all know who was in attendance: Don Burks.
Greig, didn't know you were there. Hadn't yet met you. My first recollection of you was a paper you delivered at ECA in Portland, Maine, in the spring of 1992. I think I have that right. I remember wishing I could get a copy of it..
Yeah, there were some powerful folks at that Seton Hall conference. Wish I could have been there more than one day. Had to attend to my day job.
On Bloom and Freud---and Burke. The following year, following your paper in Maine, ECA met in New Haven. I was program planner for the Burke panels. I wrote to Bloom, asking whether he would speak at the conference, preferably, of course, in a plenary session. Among the topics I suggested, harking back to Seton Hall, was Freud and Burke. Another topic I broached was Burke and the postmoderns, would Burke likely survive in the age of the Derridas and Foucaults. Bloom wrote a nice letter back, said he would be out of town at that time, and offered that he had no doubt that Burke would out live the "Frenchies."
Ed
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On Wed, 11/14/18, Greig Henderson <ghenders at chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
Subject: RE: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
To: "'Edward C Appel'" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, wessr at oregonstate.edu, "'sjmaillo'" <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
Cc: "'Robert Craig'" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, "'elanah naftali'" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "'Kathleen Hall Jamieson'" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "'Fahy'" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "'KB'" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 9:12 AM
Hi Everyone,
The Seton Hall affair included Harold
Bloom, Denis Donoghue, J. Hillis Miller, Howard Nemerov,
Paul Jay, and Ralph Ellison. The highlight for me was
when Harold Bloom--speaking without notes about Burke and
Emerson as American sages, not to mention citing Nietzsche
and Freud from memory (in German)--stepped down from the
podium to greet Burke, who was in the first row.
He kissed Burke on the forehead and
said "My rabbi." Ellison read from Juneteenth on the
final evening. And David Williams can relate how Burke
got entangled in his seat belt if memory serves.
Cheers,
Greig
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conferences with KB
Steve and All,
Was not aware of the April, 1988,
Conference on Burke and Heidegger, But in that
decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New Harmony
in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at
Seton Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb
attended, as well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke
family. A group of grad students came up from the South,
along with their mentor (forget who), and got their picture
taken with Burke. Harold Blum, Dennis Donoghue (sp?),
and some other luminary(ies) gave presentations.
Were any other Burke gatherings held
exclusively in literature, besides Seton Hall and Johns
Hopkins in 1978?
Ed
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On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
wrote:
Subject: other 1980s conferences with
KB
To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>,
"Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
p.mass at verizon.net,
"elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>,
"Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
kb at kbjournal.org,
"Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
"KB" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47
PM
Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,
Since you are talking about
Burke at a 1984 conference, I was
wondering
if anyone out there has notes on or
memories
about another 1980s
conference: the April
1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and
Martin
Heidegger, organized by Don Burks. Don
was kind
enough to share some
memories a few years
ago, but I'm returning to the topic in
some recent
researching.
Thanks!
Steve
Mailloux
On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
wrote:
> Ed,
>
> I checked my copy of the 1984
program. The
conference was at the
> Bellevue
Stratford. You're right about that.
>
> Nelson appeared in one of the
plenaries. The chair of his panel was
>
Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was
David Damrosch.
>
> Bennett also
appeared in a plenary. His chair:
Joseph Margolis. His
> fellow panelist: Joseph
Gusfield.
>
> Your memory may be
better than mine.
>
>
Bob
>
>
> Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I don't
remember Burke's interrupting Nelson.
If he did so,
Burke
>> surely did not launch into
a screed against what Nelson was
saying.
>> Could that have happened in
one of the
seminars?
>>
>>
For sure, Burke did verbally attack
Bennett. I got
intersubjective
>> support for that
recollection from David Cratis
Williams at last
>> year's Triennial. I brought
up
that example of "feisty Burke" at
our
>> plenary "Memories of Burke"
meeting. David gave us the "back
story"
>> on the matter. Burke was
asked his
opinion of the papers submitted,
>>
this even before the convention began,
I believe. Burke said
he liked
>> them all except one.
Who submitted that one, Burke was
asked. "Lance,
>> Lance, Lance," was Burke's
reply
>>
>> I
remember Bennett looking down at his
ms. in obvious
embarrassment,
>> as Burke railed
on, then, after Burke had got it all
our of his
>> spleen, continuing on without
a word
in response to Burke.
>>
>> We remember the unexpected,
the
unusual, the harrowingly
>>
out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath
of Stanford said in
their
>> book, Make It Stick.
Professor Blasy Ford explained it well
in her
>> Senate testimony. There's a
rush
of norepinephrine and another
>>
neurochemical whose name escapes me
into the hippocampus in
such
>> moments. We don';t
forget them.
>>
>> I don't remember who spoke
before,
or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed . .
>>
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>> On Mon, 11/12/18,
<wessr at oregonstate.edu>
wrote:
>>
>>
Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
>> To:
"Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
>> Cc: "Robert Craig"
<Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
"David C. Williams"
>>
<dcwill at fau.edu>,
"HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
>> p.mass at verizon.net,
kb at kbjournal.org,
"Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
<kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
"elanah naftali"
>>
<elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, November
12, 2018,
9:12 PM
>>
>>
Hi all,
>>
>>
Ed, my
>> memory is that Burke
interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted
Cary
>> to
>>
explain poststructuralism in a more
>> intelligible way. Maybe
I'm
wrong,
>> but that is my
memory.
>>
>>
Bob
>>
>>
>> Quoting Edward C Appel
<edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>>
>> >
Herb,
>> >
>> > That March, 1984,
>> Conference on Discourse
Analysis,
under the aegis
>> > of Temple
University, was held at the
>>
Bellevue Stratford, top floor
>>
> as I
>> recall. It was a
wonderful event, with feisty Burke
standing
>> up
>> >
and interrupting Lance Bennett
>>
with a blistering tirade in the
>>
>
>> middle of Bennett's
presentation. Powerful plenary
>>
lectures and
>> > excellent
seminars. I
>> recall, too,
postprandial addresses by both
>>
> Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an
old
>> guy, the Burke scholar
at
>> > Colorado,
>> his name now escapes
me.
>> >
>> >
The superb panel speeches last year
at
>> East Stroudsburg
involving
>> > the
>>
young'uns bodes well for the future of
Burke studies.
>> >
>> >
You and Trevor did a
>> great job on
that gathering, and on the book that
ensued
>> >
>>
>
>> >
>> > Ed
>>
>
>>
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>> > On Mon, 11/12/18,
HERBERT W.
Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Subject:
>> [KB] Your papers
>> > To: "Robert
>> Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
>> "David C. Williams"
>> > <dcwill at fau.edu>
>> > Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
>> kb at kbjournal.org,
>> "Fahy"
>> > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>> "Kathleen Hall
Jamieson"
>> >
>> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
>> "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
>> > Date:
Monday, November 12,
2018, 8:44
>> AM
>> >
>>
> Dear
>> colleagues,I'd
like to have e-mailed
>> >
copies of your papers.
>> >
At the Burke "parlor"
>>
> meeting 10-12 young people
as well as
>> Roundtree and Thames
>> > convened to
>> discuss matters
Burkean. I played
the old man
>> > and regaled
them with memories of that
>> first
Burke
>> > conference:
e.g.,
>> the charlatan "doctor"
who
>> >
>> attached himself to KB
at the
Williams conference,
>> moved
>> > in with him,
and helped
him
>> navigate steps. We
registered
>> > him and
>> didn't charge him the
entry fee,
at his
>> >
request.
>> > It
>>
turned out that he was a
>> >
collector of
>> important people,
as our friend, Chris Fahy,
>> >
revealed to me.
>> >
>> KB's daughter, Eleanor
Leacock
>> >
>> (sp?) was furious at me
for
entrusting KB to this
>> >
imposter. When asked whether he'd
>> like the pseudo-doc to
>> > be moved
from
>> his room, he said yes
for the
man's sake
>> > since he
had work to do.
>> > I'd
forgotten how many in our
>> >
field attended that first conference
and
>> participated in
>> > it's small
group
>> seminars as well as
it's
plenaries,
>> > at which a
recurrent question was about
>>
"not vicious
>> > but
mistaken"
>> and the issue of
warrantable
>> >
>> outrage.
>>
> Note: I've got a book
>>
in
>> > production
called
Rhetoric in
>> Action, which will be
made
>> > available
>> at no cost. Several of
its essays
are on my
>> > website,
which
can be found by googllng
>> my
name.
>> > Psychologist
Ken
Gergen
>> superintended the
project.
>> > Richard
>> Thames recalled that it
was
>> > held at
>> the Bellevue Stratford
Hotel in
Phila but I
>> > recall that
it was the Barclay, an older
>>
hotel.In deference to KB with his
>>
>
>> drinking problem we
served
grape juice at the banquet.
>>
> Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
>> > "Language
may do our
thinking
>> > for us but
it
cannot do our drinking for
>>
us." As for
>> > the
"doc",
>> he spent the
night in a bathtub,
>> >
>> compliments of the
organizers. On
the last night of the
>> >
conference, when the KB Society was
>> formed. he approached
>> > Harry
>> Chapin's wife with a
hug and she
reciprocated
>> >
diplomatically, not knowing what else
to
>> do.
>>
> I can't say enough about
>> the
>>
> young scholars who
participated
>> in the NCA
convention's
>> >
>>
"Burke Parlor." For those concerned
about the
>> > future of
Burke studies, rest
assured,
>> this next generation
>> > is highly
>> competent and
motivated.
>> > Note:
>> I've got a book in
>> > production
>> called Rhetoric in
Action, which
will be made
>> > available
at
no cost. Several of its
>> essays
are on my
>> > website,
which
can
>> be found by googllng
my
name.
>> >
>> Psychologist Ken
Gergen
superintended the project.
>>
>
>> > --
>> > Herbert
>> > W.
>>
Simons, Ph.D.
>> > Emeritus
Professor of
>> Communication
>> > Dep't of
>> Strategic
Communication, Weiss Hall
215
>> > Temple
University,
Philadelphia 19122
>> > Home
phone: 215 844 5969
>> > http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
>> > Academic
Fellow, Center
for
>> Transformative
Strategic
>> > Initiatives
>> (CTSI)
>>
>
>> >
>>
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