[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
Selzer, John L
jls25 at psu.edu
Fri Nov 16 15:32:16 EST 2018
Not to change the subject, but in the interest of KB promotion (and self promotion), I wanted to mention that I got my copy of KB's The War of Words the other day from the University of California Press.
The War of Words is basically the lengthy segment of A Rhetoric of Motives that KB deleted at the last minute, back in 1949. KB's son Butchie, Kyle Jensen, and I together put together a scholarly edition (with a substantial Intro), and we sure hope KB Nation finds it as interesting as the Rhet of Motives itself.
Here's a promotional blurb about it that Kyle and I wrote (mainly Kyle):
https://theconversation.com/how-the-media-encourages-and-sustains-political-warfare-100941
Jack Selzer
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Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
On in mine:
The Visionary Company M.H. Abrams
Kabbalah and Criticism Angus Fletcher
Figures of Capable Imagination J. Hillis Miller
The Flight to Lucifer John Hollander
The Breaking of the Vessels Thomas Weiskel
The Ringers in the Tower Geoffrey Hartman
The Western Canon Anne Freedgood
Steve
On 2018-11-16 08:12, wessr at oregonstate.edu wrote:
> The "Rabbi Burke" dedication isn't in my Bloom books:
>
> Book: Dedicated to:
>
> Anxiety of Influence William K Wimsatt
> Agon Harold Steinberg
> Map of Misreading Paul de Man
> Poetry and Repression Archie Randolph Ammons
> Shelley's Mythmaking Frederick A Pottle
>
> Bob
>
> Quoting tompkinp at colorado.edu:
>
>> That would have been a sight to see. I had several books in my
>> personal library by Harold Bloom. One of them was dedicated to Rabbi
>> Burke.
>> The
>> only one I can find is How to Read and Why, but it isn't the one.
>> Can anyone recall which book Bloom dedicated to KB?
>> Phil Tompkins
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: KB <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org> On Behalf Of Greig Henderson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:13 AM
>> To: 'Edward C Appel' <edwardcappel at frontier.com>;
>> wessr at oregonstate.edu; 'sjmaillo' <sjmaillo at uci.edu>
>> Cc: 'Robert Craig' <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>; p.mass at verizon.net;
>> 'elanah naftali' <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>; 'Kathleen Hall Jamieson'
>> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>; kb at kbjournal.org; 'Fahy'
>> <cdfahy at gmail.com>; 'KB'
>> <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
>> Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> The Seton Hall affair included Harold Bloom, Denis Donoghue, J.
>> Hillis Miller, Howard Nemerov, Paul Jay, and Ralph Ellison. The
>> highlight for me was when Harold Bloom--speaking without notes about
>> Burke and Emerson as American sages, not to mention citing Nietzsche
>> and Freud from memory (in German)--stepped down from the podium to
>> greet Burke, who was in the first row.
>> He kissed Burke on the forehead and said "My rabbi." Ellison read
>> from Juneteenth on the final evening. And David Williams can relate
>> how Burke got entangled in his seat belt if memory serves.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greig
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>> From: KB [mailto:kb-bounces at kbjournal.org] On Behalf Of Edward C
>> Appel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:04 AM
>> To: wessr at oregonstate.edu; sjmaillo
>> Cc: Robert Craig; p.mass at verizon.net; elanah naftali; Kathleen Hall
>> Jamieson; kb at kbjournal.org; Fahy; KB
>> Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
>>
>> Steve and All,
>>
>> Was not aware of the April, 1988, Conference on Burke and Heidegger,
>> But in that decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New
>> Harmony in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at Seton
>> Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb attended, as
>> well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke family. A group of
>> grad students came up from the South, along with their mentor (forget
>> who), and got their picture taken with Burke. Harold Blum, Dennis
>> Donoghue (sp?), and some other
>> luminary(ies) gave presentations.
>>
>> Were any other Burke gatherings held exclusively in literature,
>> besides Seton Hall and Johns Hopkins in 1978?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: other 1980s conferences with KB
>> To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
>> Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, "Robert Craig"
>> <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, "elanah naftali"
>> <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
>> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "Fahy"
>> <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "KB"
>> <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47 PM
>>
>> Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,
>>
>> Since you are talking about
>> Burke at a 1984 conference, I was wondering if anyone out there has
>> notes on or memories about another 1980s
>> conference: the April
>> 1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and Martin Heidegger, organized by
>> Don Burks. Don was kind enough to share some memories a few years
>> ago, but I'm returning to the topic in some recent researching.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Steve
>> Mailloux
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
>> wrote:
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > I checked my copy of the 1984 program. The conference was at the
>> >
>> Bellevue Stratford. You're right about that.
>> >
>>
>> > Nelson appeared in one of the
>> plenaries. The chair of his panel was > Charles Dyke. His fellow
>> panelist was David Damrosch.
>> >
>> > Bennett also
>> appeared in a plenary. His chair: Joseph Margolis. His > fellow
>> panelist:
>> Joseph Gusfield.
>> >
>> > Your memory may be
>> better than mine.
>> >
>> >
>> Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>> >
>> >> Bob,
>> >>
>> >> I don't
>> remember Burke's interrupting Nelson. If he did so, Burke >>
>> surely did not launch into a screed against what Nelson was saying.
>> >> Could that have happened in one of the seminars?
>> >>
>> >>
>> For sure, Burke did verbally attack Bennett. I got intersubjective
>> >>
>> support for that recollection from David Cratis Williams at last >>
>> year's Triennial. I brought up that example of "feisty Burke" at our
>> >> plenary "Memories of Burke"
>> meeting. David gave us the "back story"
>> >> on the matter. Burke was asked his opinion of the papers
>> submitted, >> this even before the convention began, I believe.
>> Burke said he liked >> them all except one.
>> Who submitted that one, Burke was asked. "Lance, >> Lance, Lance,"
>> was
>> Burke's reply >> >> I remember Bennett looking down at his ms. in
>> obvious embarrassment, >> as Burke railed on, then, after Burke
>> had got it all our of his >> spleen, continuing on without a word
>> in response to Burke.
>> >>
>> >> We remember the unexpected, the
>> unusual, the harrowingly
>> >>
>> out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath of Stanford said in their
>> >> book, Make It Stick.
>> Professor Blasy Ford explained it well in her >> Senate testimony.
>> There's
>> a rush of norepinephrine and another >> neurochemical whose name
>> escapes me into the hippocampus in such >> moments. We don';t
>> forget them.
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember who spoke before, or spoke after, Lance
>> Bennett.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ed . .
>> >>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Mon, 11/12/18, <wessr at oregonstate.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
>> >> To:
>> "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com> >> Cc: "Robert Craig"
>> <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, "David C. Williams"
>> >>
>> <dcwill at fau.edu>,
>> "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
>>
>> >> p.mass at verizon.net,
>> kb at kbjournal.org,
>> "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>>
>> >> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
>> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
>> "elanah naftali"
>> >>
>> <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Monday, November 12, 2018,
>> 9:12 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> Ed, my
>> >> memory is that Burke
>> interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted Cary >> to >> explain
>> poststructuralism in a more >> intelligible way. Maybe I'm wrong,
>> >>
>> but that is my memory.
>> >>
>> >>
>> Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> Herb,
>> >> >
>> >> > That March, 1984,
>> >> Conference on Discourse Analysis, under the aegis >> > of
>> Temple University, was held at the >> Bellevue Stratford, top
>> floor >> > as I >> recall. It was a wonderful event, with feisty
>> Burke standing >> up >> > and interrupting Lance Bennett >>
>> with a blistering tirade in the >> > >> middle of Bennett's
>> presentation. Powerful plenary >> lectures and
>> >> >
>> excellent seminars. I >> recall, too, postprandial addresses by
>> both >>
>>> Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an old >> guy, the Burke scholar at
>>> >>
>>> Colorado, >> his name now escapes me.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> The superb panel speeches last year at >> East Stroudsburg
>> involving >> > the >> young'uns bodes well for the future of
>> Burke studies.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> You and Trevor did a
>> >> great job on
>> that gathering, and on the book that ensued >> > >> > >> > >>
>> > Ed
>>>> > >>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> >> > On Mon, 11/12/18, HERBERT W.
>> Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >> > Subject:
>> >> [KB] Your papers
>> >> > To: "Robert
>> >> Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, >> "David C. Williams"
>> >> > <dcwill at fau.edu>
>> >> > Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
>> >> kb at kbjournal.org,
>> >> "Fahy"
>> >> > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>> >> "Kathleen Hall
>> Jamieson"
>> >> >
>> >> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
>> >> "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com> >> > Date:
>> Monday, November 12, 2018, 8:44 >> AM >> > >> > Dear >>
>> colleagues,I'd like to have e-mailed >> > copies of your papers.
>> >> >
>> At the Burke "parlor"
>> >>
>> > meeting 10-12 young people as well as >> Roundtree and Thames
>> >> >
>> convened to >> discuss matters Burkean. I played the old man >>
>> > and regaled them with memories of that >> first Burke >> >
>> conference:
>> e.g., >> the charlatan "doctor"
>> who
>> >> >
>> >> attached himself to KB at the
>> Williams conference,
>> >> moved
>> >> > in with him, and helped
>> him
>> >> navigate steps. We
>> registered
>> >> > him and
>> >> didn't charge him the entry fee, at his >> > request.
>> >> > It
>> >>
>> turned out that he was a
>> >> >
>> collector of
>> >> important people,
>> as our friend, Chris Fahy,
>> >> >
>> revealed to me.
>> >> >
>> >> KB's daughter, Eleanor
>> Leacock
>> >> >
>> >> (sp?) was furious at me for
>> entrusting KB to this
>> >> >
>> imposter. When asked whether he'd
>> >> like the pseudo-doc to
>> >> > be moved from
>> >> his room, he said yes for the
>> man's sake
>> >> > since he
>> had work to do.
>> >> > I'd
>> forgotten how many in our
>> >> >
>> field attended that first conference and >> participated in >> >
>> it's small group >> seminars as well as it's plenaries, >> > at
>> which a recurrent question was about >> "not vicious >> > but
>> mistaken"
>> >> and the issue of
>> warrantable
>> >> >
>> >> outrage.
>> >>
>> > Note: I've got a book
>> >>
>> in
>> >> > production called
>> Rhetoric in
>> >> Action, which will be
>> made
>> >> > available
>> >> at no cost. Several of its essays are on my >> > website,
>> which can be found by googllng >> my name.
>> >> > Psychologist Ken
>> Gergen
>> >> superintended the
>> project.
>> >> > Richard
>> >> Thames recalled that it was
>> >> > held at
>> >> the Bellevue Stratford Hotel in
>> Phila but I
>> >> > recall that
>> it was the Barclay, an older
>> >>
>> hotel.In deference to KB with his
>> >>
>> >
>> >> drinking problem we served
>> grape juice at the banquet.
>> >>
>> > Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
>> >> > "Language may do our
>> thinking
>> >> > for us but it
>> cannot do our drinking for
>> >>
>> us." As for
>> >> > the
>> "doc",
>> >> he spent the
>> night in a bathtub,
>> >> >
>> >> compliments of the organizers. On the last night of the >> >
>> conference, when the KB Society was >> formed. he approached >> >
>> Harry >> Chapin's wife with a hug and she reciprocated >> >
>> diplomatically, not knowing what else to >> do.
>> >>
>> > I can't say enough about
>> >> the
>> >>
>> > young scholars who participated
>> >> in the NCA convention's
>> >> >
>> >>
>> "Burke Parlor." For those concerned about the >> > future of
>> Burke studies, rest assured, >> this next generation >> > is
>> highly
>> >>
>> competent and motivated.
>> >> > Note:
>> >> I've got a book in
>> >> > production
>> >> called Rhetoric in Action, which will be made >> > available
>> at no cost. Several of its >> essays are on my >> > website,
>> which can >> be found by googllng my name.
>> >> >
>> >> Psychologist Ken Gergen
>> superintended the project.
>> >>
>> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Herbert
>> >> > W.
>> >>
>> Simons, Ph.D.
>> >> > Emeritus
>> Professor of
>> >> Communication
>> >> > Dep't of
>> >> Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall
>> 215
>> >> > Temple University,
>> Philadelphia 19122
>> >> > Home
>> phone: 215 844 5969
>> >> >
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