[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB
Edward C Appel
edwardcappel at frontier.com
Wed Nov 14 01:03:52 EST 2018
Steve and All,
Was not aware of the April, 1988, Conference on Burke and Heidegger, But in that decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New Harmony in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at Seton Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb attended, as well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke family. A group of grad students came up from the South, along with their mentor (forget who), and got their picture taken with Burke. Harold Blum, Dennis Donoghue (sp?), and some other luminary(ies) gave presentations.
Were any other Burke gatherings held exclusively in literature, besides Seton Hall and Johns Hopkins in 1978?
Ed
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On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu> wrote:
Subject: other 1980s conferences with KB
To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "KB" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47 PM
Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,
Since you are talking about
Burke at a 1984 conference, I was wondering
if anyone out there has notes on or memories
about another 1980s
conference: the April
1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and Martin
Heidegger, organized by Don Burks. Don was kind
enough to share some
memories a few years
ago, but I'm returning to the topic in some recent
researching.
Thanks!
Steve
Mailloux
On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
wrote:
> Ed,
>
> I checked my copy of the 1984 program. The
conference was at the
> Bellevue
Stratford. You're right about that.
>
> Nelson appeared in one of the
plenaries. The chair of his panel was
>
Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was David Damrosch.
>
> Bennett also
appeared in a plenary. His chair: Joseph Margolis. His
> fellow panelist: Joseph Gusfield.
>
> Your memory may be
better than mine.
>
>
Bob
>
>
> Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I don't
remember Burke's interrupting Nelson. If he did so,
Burke
>> surely did not launch into
a screed against what Nelson was saying.
>> Could that have happened in one of the
seminars?
>>
>>
For sure, Burke did verbally attack Bennett. I got
intersubjective
>> support for that
recollection from David Cratis Williams at last
>> year's Triennial. I brought up
that example of "feisty Burke" at our
>> plenary "Memories of Burke"
meeting. David gave us the "back story"
>> on the matter. Burke was asked his
opinion of the papers submitted,
>>
this even before the convention began, I believe. Burke said
he liked
>> them all except one.
Who submitted that one, Burke was asked. "Lance,
>> Lance, Lance," was Burke's
reply
>>
>> I
remember Bennett looking down at his ms. in obvious
embarrassment,
>> as Burke railed
on, then, after Burke had got it all our of his
>> spleen, continuing on without a word
in response to Burke.
>>
>> We remember the unexpected, the
unusual, the harrowingly
>>
out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath of Stanford said in
their
>> book, Make It Stick.
Professor Blasy Ford explained it well in her
>> Senate testimony. There's a rush
of norepinephrine and another
>>
neurochemical whose name escapes me into the hippocampus in
such
>> moments. We don';t
forget them.
>>
>> I don't remember who spoke before,
or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed . .
>>
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>> On Mon, 11/12/18, <wessr at oregonstate.edu>
wrote:
>>
>>
Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
>> To:
"Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
>> Cc: "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
"David C. Williams"
>>
<dcwill at fau.edu>,
"HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>,
>> p.mass at verizon.net,
kb at kbjournal.org,
"Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
<kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
"elanah naftali"
>>
<elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, November 12, 2018,
9:12 PM
>>
>>
Hi all,
>>
>>
Ed, my
>> memory is that Burke
interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted Cary
>> to
>>
explain poststructuralism in a more
>> intelligible way. Maybe I'm
wrong,
>> but that is my
memory.
>>
>>
Bob
>>
>>
>> Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
>>
>> >
Herb,
>> >
>> > That March, 1984,
>> Conference on Discourse Analysis,
under the aegis
>> > of Temple
University, was held at the
>>
Bellevue Stratford, top floor
>>
> as I
>> recall. It was a
wonderful event, with feisty Burke standing
>> up
>> >
and interrupting Lance Bennett
>>
with a blistering tirade in the
>>
>
>> middle of Bennett's
presentation. Powerful plenary
>>
lectures and
>> > excellent
seminars. I
>> recall, too,
postprandial addresses by both
>>
> Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an old
>> guy, the Burke scholar at
>> > Colorado,
>> his name now escapes me.
>> >
>> >
The superb panel speeches last year at
>> East Stroudsburg involving
>> > the
>>
young'uns bodes well for the future of Burke studies.
>> >
>> >
You and Trevor did a
>> great job on
that gathering, and on the book that ensued
>> >
>>
>
>> >
>> > Ed
>>
>
>>
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>> > On Mon, 11/12/18, HERBERT W.
Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Subject:
>> [KB] Your papers
>> > To: "Robert
>> Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
>> "David C. Williams"
>> > <dcwill at fau.edu>
>> > Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
>> kb at kbjournal.org,
>> "Fahy"
>> > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
>> "Kathleen Hall
Jamieson"
>> >
>> <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
>> "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Monday, November 12,
2018, 8:44
>> AM
>> >
>>
> Dear
>> colleagues,I'd
like to have e-mailed
>> >
copies of your papers.
>> >
At the Burke "parlor"
>>
> meeting 10-12 young people as well as
>> Roundtree and Thames
>> > convened to
>> discuss matters Burkean. I played
the old man
>> > and regaled
them with memories of that
>> first
Burke
>> > conference: e.g.,
>> the charlatan "doctor"
who
>> >
>> attached himself to KB at the
Williams conference,
>> moved
>> > in with him, and helped
him
>> navigate steps. We
registered
>> > him and
>> didn't charge him the entry fee,
at his
>> > request.
>> > It
>>
turned out that he was a
>> >
collector of
>> important people,
as our friend, Chris Fahy,
>> >
revealed to me.
>> >
>> KB's daughter, Eleanor
Leacock
>> >
>> (sp?) was furious at me for
entrusting KB to this
>> >
imposter. When asked whether he'd
>> like the pseudo-doc to
>> > be moved from
>> his room, he said yes for the
man's sake
>> > since he
had work to do.
>> > I'd
forgotten how many in our
>> >
field attended that first conference and
>> participated in
>> > it's small group
>> seminars as well as it's
plenaries,
>> > at which a
recurrent question was about
>>
"not vicious
>> > but
mistaken"
>> and the issue of
warrantable
>> >
>> outrage.
>>
> Note: I've got a book
>>
in
>> > production called
Rhetoric in
>> Action, which will be
made
>> > available
>> at no cost. Several of its essays
are on my
>> > website, which
can be found by googllng
>> my
name.
>> > Psychologist Ken
Gergen
>> superintended the
project.
>> > Richard
>> Thames recalled that it was
>> > held at
>> the Bellevue Stratford Hotel in
Phila but I
>> > recall that
it was the Barclay, an older
>>
hotel.In deference to KB with his
>>
>
>> drinking problem we served
grape juice at the banquet.
>>
> Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
>> > "Language may do our
thinking
>> > for us but it
cannot do our drinking for
>>
us." As for
>> > the
"doc",
>> he spent the
night in a bathtub,
>> >
>> compliments of the organizers. On
the last night of the
>> >
conference, when the KB Society was
>> formed. he approached
>> > Harry
>> Chapin's wife with a hug and she
reciprocated
>> >
diplomatically, not knowing what else to
>> do.
>>
> I can't say enough about
>> the
>>
> young scholars who participated
>> in the NCA convention's
>> >
>>
"Burke Parlor." For those concerned about the
>> > future of Burke studies, rest
assured,
>> this next generation
>> > is highly
>> competent and motivated.
>> > Note:
>> I've got a book in
>> > production
>> called Rhetoric in Action, which
will be made
>> > available at
no cost. Several of its
>> essays
are on my
>> > website, which
can
>> be found by googllng my
name.
>> >
>> Psychologist Ken Gergen
superintended the project.
>>
>
>> > --
>> > Herbert
>> > W.
>>
Simons, Ph.D.
>> > Emeritus
Professor of
>> Communication
>> > Dep't of
>> Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall
215
>> > Temple University,
Philadelphia 19122
>> > Home
phone: 215 844 5969
>> > http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
>> > Academic Fellow, Center
for
>> Transformative Strategic
>> > Initiatives
>> (CTSI)
>>
>
>> >
>>
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