[KB] other 1980s conferences with KB

Wed Nov 14 09:12:34 EST 2018

Hi Everyone,

The Seton Hall affair included Harold Bloom, Denis Donoghue, J. Hillis Miller, Howard Nemerov, Paul Jay, and Ralph Ellison.  The highlight for me was when Harold Bloom--speaking without notes about Burke and Emerson as American sages, not to mention citing Nietzsche and Freud from memory (in German)--stepped down from the podium to greet Burke, who was in the first row.
He kissed Burke on the forehead and said "My rabbi."  Ellison read from Juneteenth on the final evening.  And David Williams can relate how Burke got entangled in his seat belt if memory serves.

Cheers,
Greig 
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Subject: Re: [KB] other 1980s conferences with KB

Steve and All,

Was not aware of the April, 1988, Conference on Burke and Heidegger, But in that decade---particularly between Temple in 1984 and New Harmony in 1990---there was a Burke Conference in literature at Seton Hall in December, 1986. I got there for one day. Herb attended, as well as, of course, Burke and some of the Burke family. A group of grad students came up from the South, along with their mentor (forget who), and got their picture taken with Burke.  Harold Blum, Dennis Donoghue (sp?), and some other luminary(ies) gave presentations.

Were any other Burke gatherings held exclusively in literature, besides Seton Hall and Johns Hopkins in 1978?

Ed  
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On Tue, 11/13/18, sjmaillo <sjmaillo at uci.edu> wrote:

 Subject: other 1980s conferences with KB
 To: wessr at oregonstate.edu
 Cc: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>, "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>, "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, kb at kbjournal.org, "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "KB" <kb-bounces at kbjournal.org>
 Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 5:47 PM

 Ed, Bob, Herb, and others,

 Since you are talking about
 Burke at a 1984 conference, I was wondering 
 if anyone out there has notes on or memories
 about another 1980s 
 conference: the April
 1988 Colloquium on Kenneth Burke and Martin 
 Heidegger, organized by Don Burks. Don was kind
 enough to share some 
 memories a few years
 ago, but I'm returning to the topic in some recent 
 researching.

 Thanks!

 Steve
 Mailloux

 On 2018-11-13 13:39, wessr at oregonstate.edu
 wrote:
 > Ed,
 > 
 > I checked my copy of the 1984 program. The
 conference was at the
 > Bellevue
 Stratford. You're right about that.
 >

 > Nelson appeared in one of the
 plenaries. The chair of his panel was
 >
 Charles Dyke. His fellow panelist was David Damrosch.
 > 
 > Bennett also
 appeared in a plenary. His chair: Joseph Margolis. His
 > fellow panelist: Joseph Gusfield.
 > 
 > Your memory may be
 better than mine.
 > 
 >
 Bob
 > 
 > 
 > Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
 > 
 >> Bob,
 >> 
 >> I don't
 remember Burke's interrupting Nelson. If he did so,
 Burke  
 >> surely did not launch into
 a screed against what Nelson was saying.  
 >> Could that have happened in one of the
 seminars?
 >> 
 >>
 For sure, Burke did verbally attack Bennett. I got
 intersubjective  
 >> support for that
 recollection from David Cratis Williams at last  
 >> year's Triennial. I brought up
 that example of "feisty Burke" at our  
 >> plenary "Memories of Burke"
 meeting. David gave us the "back story"  
 >> on the matter. Burke was asked his
 opinion of the papers submitted,  
 >>
 this even before the convention began, I believe. Burke said
 he  liked 
 >> them all except one.
 Who submitted that one, Burke was asked.  "Lance, 
 >> Lance, Lance," was Burke's
 reply
 >> 
 >> I
 remember Bennett looking down at his ms. in obvious
 embarrassment,  
 >> as Burke railed
 on, then, after Burke had got it all our of his  
 >> spleen, continuing on without a word
 in response to Burke.
 >> 
 >> We remember the unexpected, the
 unusual, the harrowingly  
 >>
 out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath of Stanford said in
 their  
 >> book, Make It Stick.
 Professor Blasy Ford explained it well in her  
 >> Senate testimony. There's a rush
 of norepinephrine and another  
 >>
 neurochemical whose name escapes me into the hippocampus in
 such  
 >> moments. We don';t
 forget them.
 >> 
 >> I don't remember who spoke before,
 or spoke after, Lance Bennett.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Ed    . .
 >>
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 >> On Mon, 11/12/18,  <wessr at oregonstate.edu>
 wrote:
 >> 
 >> 
 Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
 >>  To:
 "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
 >>  Cc: "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
 "David C. Williams"  
 >>
 <dcwill at fau.edu>,
 "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>, 

 >> p.mass at verizon.net,
 kb at kbjournal.org,
 "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, 

 >> "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"
 <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
 "elanah naftali"  
 >>
 <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
 >>  Date: Monday, November 12, 2018,
 9:12 PM
 >> 
 >> 
 Hi all,
 >> 
 >> 
 Ed, my
 >>  memory is that Burke
 interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted Cary
 >>  to 
 >> 
 explain poststructuralism in a more
 >>  intelligible way. Maybe I'm
 wrong, 
 >>  but that is my
 memory.
 >> 
 >> 
 Bob
 >> 
 >> 
 >>  Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:
 >> 
 >>  >
 Herb,
 >>  >
 >>  > That March, 1984,
 >>  Conference on Discourse Analysis,
 under the aegis 
 >>  > of Temple
 University, was held at the
 >> 
 Bellevue Stratford, top floor 
 >> 
 > as I
 >>  recall. It was a
 wonderful event, with feisty Burke standing
 >>  up 
 >>  >
 and interrupting Lance Bennett
 >> 
 with a blistering tirade in the 
 >> 
 >
 >>  middle of Bennett's
 presentation. Powerful plenary
 >> 
 lectures and 
 >>  > excellent
 seminars. I
 >>  recall, too,
 postprandial addresses by both 
 >> 
 > Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an old
 >>  guy, the Burke scholar at 
 >>  > Colorado,
 >>  his name now escapes me.
 >>  >
 >>  >
 The superb panel speeches last year at
 >>  East Stroudsburg involving 
 >>  > the
 >> 
 young'uns bodes well for the future of Burke studies.
 >>  >
 >>  >
 You and Trevor did a
 >>  great job on
 that gathering, and on the book that ensued
 >>  >
 >> 
 >
 >>  >
 >>  > Ed
 >> 
 >
 >> 
 --------------------------------------------
 >>  > On Mon, 11/12/18, HERBERT W.
 Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
 >>  wrote:
 >> 
 >
 >>  >  Subject:
 >>  [KB] Your papers
 >>  >  To: "Robert
 >>  Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
 >>  "David C. Williams" 
 >>  > <dcwill at fau.edu>
 >>  >  Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
 >>  kb at kbjournal.org,
 >>  "Fahy" 
 >>  > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
 >>  "Kathleen Hall
 Jamieson" 
 >>  >
 >>  <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
 >>  "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
 >>  >  Date: Monday, November 12,
 2018, 8:44
 >>  AM
 >>  >
 >> 
 >  Dear
 >>  colleagues,I'd
 like to have e-mailed
 >>  > 
 copies of your papers.
 >>  > 
  At the Burke "parlor"
 >> 
 >  meeting 10-12 young people as well as
 >>  Roundtree and Thames
 >>  >  convened to
 >>  discuss matters Burkean. I played
 the old man
 >>  >  and regaled
 them with memories of that
 >>  first
 Burke
 >>  >  conference: e.g.,
 >>  the charlatan "doctor"
 who
 >>  > 
 >>  attached himself to KB at the
 Williams conference, 
 >>  moved
 >>  >  in with him, and helped
 him
 >>  navigate steps. We
 registered
 >>  >  him and
 >>  didn't charge him the entry fee,
 at his
 >>  >  request.  
 >>  >  It
 >> 
 turned out that he was a
 >>  > 
 collector of
 >>  important people, 
 as our friend, Chris Fahy,
 >>  > 
 revealed to me.
 >>  > 
 >>  KB's daughter, Eleanor
 Leacock
 >>  > 
 >>  (sp?) was furious at me for
 entrusting  KB to this
 >>  > 
 imposter. When asked whether he'd
 >>  like the pseudo-doc to
 >>  >  be moved from
 >>  his room, he said yes for the
 man's sake
 >>  >  since he
 had work to do.
 >>  >  I'd
 forgotten how many in our
 >>  > 
 field attended that first conference and
 >>  participated in
 >>  >  it's small group
 >>  seminars as well as it's
 plenaries,
 >>  >  at which a
 recurrent question was about
 >> 
 "not vicious
 >>  >  but
 mistaken"
 >>  and the issue of
 warrantable
 >>  > 
 >>  outrage.
 >> 
 >  Note: I've got a book
 >> 
 in
 >>  >  production called
 Rhetoric in
 >>  Action, which will be
 made
 >>  >  available
 >>  at no cost. Several of its essays
 are on my
 >>  >  website, which
 can be found by googllng
 >>  my
 name.
 >>  >  Psychologist Ken
 Gergen
 >>  superintended the
 project.
 >>  >  Richard
 >>  Thames recalled that it was
 >>  >  held at
 >>  the Bellevue Stratford Hotel in
 Phila but  I
 >>  >  recall that
 it was the Barclay, an older
 >> 
 hotel.In deference to KB with his
 >> 
 > 
 >>  drinking problem we served
 grape juice at the banquet. 
 >> 
 >  Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
 >>  >  "Language may do our
 thinking
 >>  >  for us but it
 cannot do our drinking for
 >> 
 us." As for
 >>  >  the
 "doc",
 >>  he spent the
 night in a bathtub,
 >>  > 
 >>  compliments of the organizers. On
 the last night of the
 >>  > 
 conference, when the KB Society was
 >>  formed. he approached
 >>  >  Harry
 >>  Chapin's wife with a hug and she
 reciprocated 
 >>  > 
 diplomatically, not knowing what else to
 >>  do.
 >> 
 >  I can't say enough about
 >>  the
 >> 
 >  young scholars who participated
 >>  in the NCA convention's
 >>  > 
 >> 
 "Burke Parlor." For those concerned about the
 >>  >  future of Burke studies, rest
 assured,
 >>  this next generation
 >>  >  is highly
 >>  competent and motivated.
 >>  >  Note:
 >>  I've got a book in
 >>  >  production
 >>  called Rhetoric in Action, which
 will be made
 >>  >  available at
 no cost. Several of its
 >>  essays
 are on my
 >>  >  website, which
 can
 >>  be found by googllng my
 name.
 >>  > 
 >>  Psychologist Ken Gergen
 superintended the project.  
 >> 
 >
 >>  >  --
 >>  >  Herbert
 >>  >  W.
 >> 
 Simons, Ph.D.
 >>  >  Emeritus
 Professor of
 >>  Communication
 >>  >  Dep't of 
 >>  Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall
 215
 >>  >  Temple University,
 Philadelphia 19122
 >>  >  Home
 phone: 215 844 5969
 >>  >  http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
 >>  >  Academic Fellow, Center
 for
 >>  Transformative Strategic
 >>  >  Initiatives
 >>  (CTSI)
 >> 
 >
 >>  > 
 >> 
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