[KB] Your papers

Mon Nov 12 21:52:11 EST 2018

Bob,

I don't remember Burke's interrupting Nelson. If he did so, Burke surely did not launch into a screed against what Nelson was saying. Could that have happened in one of the seminars?

For sure, Burke did verbally attack Bennett. I got intersubjective support for that recollection from David Cratis Williams at last year's Triennial. I brought up that example of "feisty Burke" at our plenary "Memories of Burke" meeting. David gave us the "back story" on the matter. Burke was asked his opinion of the papers submitted, this even before the convention began, I believe. Burke said he liked them all except one. Who submitted that one, Burke was asked. "Lance, Lance, Lance," was Burke's reply

I remember Bennett looking down at his ms. in obvious embarrassment, as Burke railed on, then, after Burke had got it all our of his spleen, continuing on without a word in response to Burke.

We remember the unexpected, the unusual, the harrowingly out-of-the-ordinary,Chip and Dan Heath of Stanford said in their book, Make It Stick. Professor Blasy Ford explained it well in her Senate testimony. There's a rush of norepinephrine and another neurochemical whose name escapes me into the hippocampus in such moments. We don';t forget them.

I don't remember who spoke before, or spoke after, Lance Bennett.

Ed    . . 
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On Mon, 11/12/18,  <wessr at oregonstate.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [KB] Your papers
 To: "Edward C Appel" <edwardcappel at frontier.com>
 Cc: "Robert Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>, "David C. Williams" <dcwill at fau.edu>, "HERBERT W. Simons" <hsimons at temple.edu>, p.mass at verizon.net, kb at kbjournal.org, "Fahy" <cdfahy at gmail.com>, "Kathleen Hall Jamieson" <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>, "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
 Date: Monday, November 12, 2018, 9:12 PM

 Hi all,

 Ed, my
 memory is that Burke interrupted Cary Nelson. He wanted Cary
 to  
 explain poststructuralism in a more
 intelligible way. Maybe I'm wrong,  
 but that is my memory.

 Bob

 Quoting Edward C Appel <edwardcappel at frontier.com>:

 > Herb,
 >
 > That March, 1984,
 Conference on Discourse Analysis, under the aegis  
 > of Temple University, was held at the
 Bellevue Stratford, top floor  
 > as I
 recall. It was a wonderful event, with feisty Burke standing
 up  
 > and interrupting Lance Bennett
 with a blistering tirade in the  
 >
 middle of Bennett's presentation. Powerful plenary
 lectures and  
 > excellent seminars. I
 recall, too, postprandial addresses by both  
 > Jamieson and---forgive me, I'm an old
 guy, the Burke scholar at  
 > Colorado,
 his name now escapes me.
 >
 > The superb panel speeches last year at
 East Stroudsburg involving  
 > the
 young'uns bodes well for the future of Burke studies.
 >
 > You and Trevor did a
 great job on that gathering, and on the book that ensued
 >
 >
 >
 > Ed
 >
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 > On Mon, 11/12/18, HERBERT W. Simons <hsimons at temple.edu>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 [KB] Your papers
 >  To: "Robert
 Craig" <Robert.Craig at colorado.edu>,
 "David C. Williams"  
 > <dcwill at fau.edu>
 >  Cc: p.mass at verizon.net,
 kb at kbjournal.org,
 "Fahy"  
 > <cdfahy at gmail.com>,
 "Kathleen Hall Jamieson"  
 >
 <kjamieson at asc.upenn.edu>,
 "elanah naftali" <elanah.naftali at gmail.com>
 >  Date: Monday, November 12, 2018, 8:44
 AM
 >
 >  Dear
 colleagues,I'd like to have e-mailed
 >  copies of your papers.
 >   At the Burke "parlor"
 >  meeting 10-12 young people as well as
 Roundtree and Thames
 >  convened to
 discuss matters Burkean. I played the old man
 >  and regaled them with memories of that
 first Burke
 >  conference: e.g.,
 the charlatan "doctor" who
 > 
 attached himself to KB at the Williams conference, 
 moved
 >  in with him, and helped him
 navigate steps. We registered
 >  him and
 didn't charge him the entry fee, at his
 >  request.  
 >  It
 turned out that he was a
 >  collector of
 important people,  as our friend, Chris Fahy,
 >  revealed to me.
 > 
 KB's daughter, Eleanor Leacock
 > 
 (sp?) was furious at me for entrusting  KB to this
 >  imposter. When asked whether he'd
 like the pseudo-doc to
 >  be moved from
 his room, he said yes for the man's sake
 >  since he had work to do.
 >  I'd forgotten how many in our
 >  field attended that first conference and
 participated in
 >  it's small group
 seminars as well as it's plenaries,
 >  at which a recurrent question was about
 "not vicious
 >  but mistaken"
 and the issue of warrantable
 > 
 outrage.
 >  Note: I've got a book
 in
 >  production called Rhetoric in
 Action, which will be made
 >  available
 at no cost. Several of its essays are on my
 >  website, which can be found by googllng
 my name.
 >  Psychologist Ken Gergen
 superintended the project.
 >  Richard
 Thames recalled that it was
 >  held at
 the Bellevue Stratford Hotel in Phila but  I
 >  recall that it was the Barclay, an older
 hotel.In deference to KB with his
 > 
 drinking problem we served grape juice at the banquet. 
 >  Kathleen Jamieson's toast:
 >  "Language may do our thinking
 >  for us but it cannot do our drinking for
 us." As for
 >  the "doc",
 he spent the night in a bathtub,
 > 
 compliments of the organizers. On the last night of the
 >  conference, when the KB Society was
 formed. he approached
 >  Harry
 Chapin's wife with a hug and she reciprocated 
 >  diplomatically, not knowing what else to
 do.
 >  I can't say enough about
 the
 >  young scholars who participated
 in the NCA convention's
 > 
 "Burke Parlor." For those concerned about the
 >  future of Burke studies, rest assured,
 this next generation
 >  is highly
 competent and motivated.
 >  Note:
 I've got a book in
 >  production
 called Rhetoric in Action, which will be made
 >  available at no cost. Several of its
 essays are on my
 >  website, which can
 be found by googllng my name.
 > 
 Psychologist Ken Gergen superintended the project.  
 >
 >  --
 >  Herbert
 >  W.
 Simons, Ph.D.
 >  Emeritus Professor of
 Communication
 >  Dep't of 
 Strategic Communication, Weiss Hall 215
 >  Temple University, Philadelphia 19122
 >  Home phone: 215 844 5969
 >  http://astro.temple.edu/~hsimons
 >  Academic Fellow, Center for
 Transformative Strategic
 >  Initiatives
 (CTSI)
 >
 > 
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